Please Vote Nay

inMedium Spender
a year ago
Rejected

Following the recent AssetHub migration, this Proposal was affected by the one time XCM compatibility issue that caused certain treasury spend preimages to fail at execution.

A corrected version of this proposal will be re-submitted to ensure it executes properly under the updated AssetHub requirements.

We kindly request the community to vote Nay on this proposal, as it cannot be executed in its current form.

Thank you for your understanding and continued support. A new proposal will follow shortly.

Comments (6)

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a year ago

Saxemberg has voted NAY on the Polkadot referendum 1806 Polkassembly: Shared AI Governance Layer, Treasury Analytics & Infra Upgrade. We believe that A) Many of proposed costs are included in the passed referendum and B) the AI efforts are not worth being the recipients of funds.
For A) we don't think that Technical Upgrades should be billed as a separate retroactive referendum when it seemingly were included in the yearly referendum. Including the already planned upgrades like the AssetHub migration.
B) AI results have been underwhelming and they shouldn't be presented as worth funding. We have already presented this issue in the past. Without going into the details of why the use of a certain wrapper or options over others our criticism is purely aimed at the lack of quality in results whatever the method, options or training were.
Here are some examples of softballs thrown at Klara:

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This helps us segue to comments left on the DV chat where the main message about governance forums was to try to focus more on the tools that the users now need like analytics tools like Dottreasury or the Governance Analytics, a deeper integration with reporting and results of past referenda as well as holes left by discontinued tools like Polkadot.js so that these sites are capable of performing token transactions, viewing token balances across chains (like what sub.id did / what debank does) and performing raw extrinsics something that will be needed after the discontinuation of Polkadot JS among many other things.

a year ago

@SAXEMBERG 

Thank you for the feedback. We want to respond to both points directly and give more context on why these items were included and how the work fits into the long term stack.

1. On the concern that Technical Upgrades were already covered under the yearly maintenance referendum

We understand why this question came up. The key distinction is:

The yearly referendum covers platform maintenance and minor improvements.
The work billed here is multi-chain restructuring and infra rebuild that was not part of that scope.

Specifically:

  • The Asset Hub migration required a fundamental rewrite of our indexer, schema, cache layers and chain-aware routing.

  • The GCP migration, PAPI integration, and the re-architecture around multi-chain governance were not included in the yearly maintenance contract and were not planned at the time of Ref. 1463.

  • These were completed at our own cost because they were urgent and ecosystem-critical. We are only requesting retroactive coverage now that they are delivered and stable.

  • This is also why the budget is kept strictly retroactive and narrow. We did not include any of the future-facing features to avoid speculations till the roadmap for future is cleared out by the Foundation and Parity.

2. On the utility and current state of Klara

We understand the skepticism, and it is valid to ask whether current AI performance justifies investment. Two clarifications are important:

A) Klara today is intentionally limited, because it is not a wrapper

The early release only exposes a small, curated query surface, which is stated clearly in the articles 1 & 2.

This is by design:

  • Klara is not a GPT wrapper.
  • It is built to run on top of a DKG-backed knowledge base, where each knowledge asset must be structured, validated and added progressively.
  • The scope expands layer by layer, not all at once, because the goal is verifiable, provenance-backed answers, not broad, uncontrolled output.

We are actively building this layer.

The current version available is only an MVP to evaluate need , assess queries and get feedback on sources needed.

Despite that :

  • Klara has already passed 2500+ answered governance queries in its first month.
  • These include questions users regularly struggle with: treasury flow, bounties, identity concepts, and how to participate in OpenGov.

As each new knowledge asset is added, the range of valid queries will expand.
Klara v2 (which the proposal references) includes the richer context, full provenance and the decentralised backend layer.

B) Klara is infrastructure for future Polkadot apps, not just a chatbot

As Polkadot moves into the product era, hundreds of parachain apps will need:

  • onboarding bots
  • governance explainers
  • chain-specific assistants
  • yield or portfolio explainers
  • identity and PoP guidance
  • compliant referral, reward or routing logic

Klara’s shared vector index, the DKG provenance layer, and plugin architecture are designed for these use cases.This avoids each team spending 50–150k to build their own AI pipeline from scratch.This is why the Treasury ROI is high even if you only measure avoided duplication.

We understand how Klara today invites questions and we have tried to answer all those here : FAQ on Klara vs Others , Klara as an AI Layer

3. On “users need analytics, integrations, and missing features from JS”

We agree  these are important, and most are already delivered or in progress:

  • Treasury dashboard (balance, inflow, outflow, liabilities)
  • Delegation stats
  • Judgement explorer
  • Bounty analytics
  • Identity + proxy mapping
  • Multichain indexer for Relay + AHM
  • Stable RPC surface via PAPI

The AI request in this referendum is only one part of the proposal.
The majority of the budget is tied to exactly the kind of features you mention: analytics, identity, multi-chain infra, and a stable governance layer the ecosystem can continue to depend on.

On the tooling gap left by Polkadot JS:

We have already started discussion work on raw extrinsics, transaction review surfaces and others but we intentionally did not include them in the ask because we restricted the scope to shipped work till further clarity on direction is provided by the Foundation

TL;DR

  • Klara v1 is limited on purpose because it is not a wrapper.
  • The proposal funds the underlying AI and governance infrastructure, not speculative features.
  • The analytics and infra upgrades address exactly the gaps the community has asked for.
  • The costs billed were not included in the prior yearly referendum and represent delivered work the ecosystem is already using.

We remain fully open to answering any more concerns and to have a continued discussion

Thanks again for the comment and feedback.

Team Polkassembly

a year ago

Reasoning:

  1. There are concerns raised by community members regarding the necessity and effectiveness of the proposed AI features, suggesting that they may not provide significant benefits to the ecosystem.
  2. The proposal includes costs that some believe should already be covered by previous referenda, indicating potential overlap and lack of clarity in funding.
  3. The feedback indicates a desire to prioritize other areas, such as HUB and JAM, over further investment in OpenGov-related products, which may not align with the current needs of the ecosystem.

Overall, the lack of clear technical value and community support, along with concerns about financial sustainability, leads to a decision to vote "no."

a year ago

Thanks for laying out your reasoning clearly. I want to respond to the three concerns directly so it is easier for voters to evaluate the proposal on precise facts rather than broad impressions.

1. On whether the AI features are necessary or effective

We understand how Klara today invites questions and we have tried to answer all those here : FAQ on Klara vs Others , Klara as an AI Layer

2. On whether some costs overlapped with past referenda

This is a key point, and it is important to be clear:

  • The previous yearly referendum funded maintenance, not architectural overhauls.
  • Asset Hub migration, PAPI integration, multi-chain indexer rewrite, schema redesign, and GCP migration were not included in the 2025 maintenance scope.
  • These upgrades were delivered because Polkadot governance would have degraded without them. They were done at our cost first, with retroactive funding requested only after delivery.

Most of the technical work in this referendum falls squarely into:

  • multi-chain compatibility,
  • performance and reliability,
  • long-term cost optimisation, and
  • preparing for the discontinuation of older tooling (like Polkadot.js).

These were not funded previously, and the 2025 maintenance referendum explicitly covered only “keep the platform live and operational.”

Report for ref #1463 can be found here : https://app.ogtracker.io/mediumSpender/1463

3. On prioritisation: HUB, JAM, and ecosystem shifts

We agree that Polkadot is entering a product-focused phase.
This actually increases the need for a stable governance and identity layer:

  • App-chains and JAM-era projects still depend on clear governance data, identity mapping, delegation logic, proxies, and Treasury history.
  • A large number of new tools will need to onboard users, answer governance and identity questions, and integrate with system-chain data.
  • The cost-efficient way to support this is a single shared infra layer that others can plug into rather than every new app building its own governance backend, analytics, or AI helper.

The goal is not to grow OpenGov tooling for its own sake. It is to reduce the cost of governance infrastructure during a period when Treasury spending is trending down and projects must become more efficient.

4. On financial sustainability and community support

This funding request is:

  • 90% retroactive, meaning it covers work already shipped and being used today.
  • Built with the explicit intention of dropping annual operating cost to ~200–250k, which is materially lower than historical ranges.
  • Designed to consolidate duplicated governance tools, not expand them.

We are open to refinement or scoping adjustments if the community prefers specific prioritisation. The intent is to support Polkadot sustainably, not to expand surface area for its own sake.

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